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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 3:39 pm    Post subject: Konpa's Missing Element Reply with quote

I am not a musician nor do I have any musical talent. However, I do have ears and they can be quite astute. When I listen to most popular rhythms in the U.S, Reggae, Hip Hop, Salsa, etc., I feel that our music is missing some kick to it. Every band wants to "kalé symbal" and the bass/percussion elements are strongly neglected. Could this be why Zouk has been surpassing our music? When will our bands start to have a more prominent "ban deye" along with the cymbal.

I am all for an experimental band that's willing to try a different twist to konpa. Maybe the gong player can play the gong with two sticks and get rid of the cowbell. What do you guys think?
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 4:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Konpa's Missing Element Reply with quote

who? wrote:
I am not a musician nor do I have any musical talent. However, I do have ears and they can be quite astute. When I listen to most popular rhythms in the U.S, Reggae, Hip Hop, Salsa, etc., I feel that our music is missing some kick to it. Every band wants to "kalé symbal" and the bass/percussion elements are strongly neglected. Could this be why Zouk has been surpassing our music? When will our bands start to have a more prominent "ban deye" along with the cymbal.

I am all for an experimental band that's willing to try a different twist to konpa. Maybe the gong player can play the gong with two sticks and get rid of the cowbell. What do you guys think?


Great topic. Mach
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree. I think the instrument that make the typical ban dèyè are just fine: Batri, tanbou, gong. However, I do think the tanbou (Congas) is losing emphasis. It's getting harder to hear it, perhaps because today's sound engineers have a lesser appreciation for it.
Just boost the congas back up.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben1265 wrote:
I disagree. I think the instrument that make the typical ban dèyè are just fine: Batri, tanbou, gong. However, I do think the tanbou (Congas) is losing emphasis. It's getting harder to hear it, perhaps because today's sound engineers have a lesser appreciation for it.
Just boost the congas back up.



I agree, we hardly hear the congas drums and the pattern is just that... a pattern (I am referring to the bands with live conga players) as oppose to someone that will be creative with it.

I think we need people that will take chances to bring their own ideas, stop giving us the flavor of the month to sound like the next band, and really have a concept of what it is that you want to accomplish with the album and the band while you are composing the songs.

a special note: Nu Look's "Big Mistake's album" has superior recording quality and the engineer did some superb work compared to most projects that are released.

we have great bands that are releasing garbage in terms of the recording quality and mixing. Bands that will become legendary not the flavor of the month.

that is a problem. I am not sure if it is the whole "home studio" era that is causing this cause far as I know.... with $5000 (or less) of equipment and learning the basics, you can record an album. But It takes years to learn how to master those techniques.

the recording is a huge problem for me.
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben,
How do you explain the fact the batri man has a huge drum set in front of him, and you hardly ever see him use it, except for a few breaks? Let's face it. Konpa, unless some changes are made, will never be marketable to the world. Salsa was able to get over because of its dance, but in konpa, we have nothing to market the product, except for the music.
I am all for some tweaking and we should start with the ban deye. Some other rhthmic elements need to go alongside the cynbal.

We can either invent a new dance for konpa or make some changes to the way the music is played in order to make it marketable.


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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:36 pm    Post subject: Kompa missing element Reply with quote

Machia vel, this is an interesting topic that you have started. After all, machia vel you are not so machia vel Question Question

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When I listen to most popular rhythms in the U.S, Reggae, Hip Hop, Salsa, etc., I feel that our music is missing some kick to it. Every band wants to "kalé symbal" and the bass/percussion elements are strongly neglected. Could this be why Zouk has been surpassing our music? When will our bands start to have a more prominent "ban deye" along with the cymbal.
" Yes indeed, a great deal of genre of music that are universal or have that international feel to them has that strong drum kick to them.

Machia vel, it's like you took those words right out of my mouth. For years I have been saying this to my kompa friends and to the few musicians that I have come in contact with. Until today, nobody has paid attention. I finally found somebody
who is on the same wave length as I am on this subject.

Ben, who? definitivement has a point there!
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How do you explain the fact the batri man has a huge drum set in front of him, and you hardly ever see him use it, except for a breaks?

That is a very good point. But some drummers, like Hermann Nau, don't play like that. Again, I do wish more attention was placed on the percussion section, but I don't believe something is lacking in the structure of the music.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say if our drummers can't use the drum sets to thier full potential, then you should not have a drumstick in one hand a synbal in the other.
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I blame the lack of percussion in compas on the Zouk influence. The late 80s saw a rash of bands trying to play the Compas/Zouk style. When you listen to Zouk, you mostly hear the Cadance (kata rhytm) as a percussion. The Haitian Nouvelle Generationmovement , which had no Zouk infleunce, of Zekle and Caribbean sextet had a heavier percussion than the Zouk style of compas ie early Zin. From that, outside/foreign musical elements, mostly Zouk and RnB, toned down our need for percussion. The mellow Compas gets, the softer the percussion went. When Compas went to the COMPAS LOVE beat per minute, it was the end for percussion style of compas or music by compas bands ie Boleros.
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